Thursday, April 14, 2011

Getting Pegged for What You Know Too Much About

They say when it rains, it pours. Well in my case, it’s been a hailstorm. Literally. A hailstorm hit our home and another duplex we own and did significant damages. For the past 2 weeks, I have been dealing with insurance companies, contractors and frustrated tenants. It’s been a test of my patience, to say the very least.


I feel stressed out because when I talk to these contractors and adjustors (all men), I feel like there is a fine line between “knowledgeable” and “too knowledgeable” for a woman to know about plumbing a gas water heater, or putting on a new roof, etc.


Now I know that sounds sexist because, well, it is I suppose.. But in my own defense I would dare to say in my dealings and associations with other women, I have found that many (not all) do not know the first thing about trade skills (or have any interest) in things like putting in a water heater or replacing a roof. These are male dominated trades.


When a woman speaks to contractors on the level about these trades, it puts a spotlight on them of curiosity and amusement for some inquisitive men. Having this kind of knowledge can open the door to other discussions and questions. Questions that can lead you right into a position of outing yourself.


The odd thing is, I used to get the same looks from females when I was a male, and I would know TOO much about female things.


These have been difficult challenges to navigate in my new life as a woman, because I have NOT lived my life since birth, that of the average female. I enjoy the work, but by doing it, it reopens my mind to thoughts of things I thought I already had bridged over. I don’t like being thought of as just a Transgender woman. But, that’s exactly what I am being. I can’t be “just a woman.” I lay my hands over my forehead and heart and strain through tears to understand why "any" of that should matter now. I simply do not know.

All that I DO know is, that, it just does.

Courage comes in many forms - this is not one of them.


I have found if I am too assertive or knowledgable, that I am thought of by men as a bitch. How cliche' is that? How many times I have heard a woman say this, and I rolled my eyes... and yet, here I am.  I have to say, its absolutely true.   The funny thing is, I have experienced this attitude from men that KNEW me as a former male.  How am I to interpret that?  They had no problem I transitioned. I guess I am to be validated by getting the boys club treatment?


If I don't assert myself, or reveal all the knowledge I have in a conversation, I feel disingenuine and that I am selling out other females by looking like an incompetent ninny that needs their Daddy to help them pick out and pay for a car.


These feelings were never covered in any of my therapy.  Never.  I never thought that I would one day have to confront a line between being too masculine or too feminine in any one given situation.  "Women" do not have to think about these things, because "Women" were born and raised as women. Everything they do, is without question in their mind, JUST a woman doing it.


As someone that was raised and lived as Male, trying to assimilate into the female world, I am finding that it is impossible for me right now to just "be" a woman, and not be reminded that I am in fact being a "Transgender" woman.  Transgender women have the privilege of knowing how the boys world works and seeing things from that side of the coin.  For me, this has not been something easily channeled into my female energy.  How can I?  You might as well ask me to give birth too.


I have been post-op now for 3 years, living full time nearly 6 years.  In this time, I can tell you, I have learned a lot about myself, life as a female and explored my sexuality.  But, surgery doesn't and didn't make me a woman. Surgery ONLY gave me the body of a female to match my feminine feelings and spirit.


In truth, it takes a life time to enter and live in the female world to grow into a "woman".  Normally, a child goes through all these awkward stages of social grooming into their gender roll, early on in life.  As a transgender woman, I feel like a 6 year old girl right now with the life experience of a 32 year old male.  And that hurts, some days. Other days, its been a blessing to be able to navigate a situation with my "privilege" of my former experience of having lived as a male.  But again, your average woman would not have had that privilege.  So am I a woman? Or am I a Transgender woman with male privilege?  Admittedly, this is deeply troubling.  But why?


I am learning each day to take these experiences and use them to guide myself through this new chapter of life, and channel them into a feminine expression as I feel inspired to do so.  I have let go to a lot that I used to hold true as a former male, because I see the world differently now.  That world affects me, and I can't interact with it anymore the way i used to as a male - even though I have the privilege of experience and skill of a male.  For my life to work now, I have to use what I have, and just be the best "me" I can.  Thats not male.  But its not entirely female either.  That's not to say my feelings aren't feminine - they are.  But my life experience as a male is not something I can change with surgery. It is only something I can use now to help develop my life as a "woman" of my choosing. But what kind of Woman can that be with a male history as a platform to build upon?  I wonder if this is why my mother and sister find it difficult to accept me fully without looking at each-other behind my back rolling their eyes when I say something completely male out of ignorance that any normal female would never say or think.


Looking forward...


Both Rene and I are looking forward to moving this summer.  Rene will be moving close by so we can share the kids 50/50.  This will give both of us, as well as the kids, a chance for a fresh start.  The entire time I have been living as a woman with Rene, I never really felt like I actually transitioned, as much as I was really just cross dressing post-operatively. My eyes began to be awaken to this years ago, but its taken this long to get a divorce, and a plan together.  Rene and I gave it 5 years together. She'd go another 50 years the way things are, but be miserable the entire time.  She wasn't like this when I married her. I can see that my transition broke her trust in me, and her self esteem.  It is my hope that I can give her that back by helping her to have a chance to start over.


As for my kids - they are doing wonderful.  They are looking forward to the move.  They love Lana, and have had a year now to get to know her and become comfortable.  They have told us in their own way, "its time" and they are going to be ok too.


If there is one thing I am grateful for, more than anything, is for the opportunity to raise my children as another woman in their life. Doubly grateful they accept me as just a "Mom".  Tripple grateful to Rene in both helping me to be a good mom, and for validating me in front of the kids of this fact.  The kids know I "seeded" their life as a male, but they have only ever known me as a woman named Chloe and can think of no other term for me except MOM.  What more could you ask for?  I am happy, young, and have plenty of time to figure it all out.  No doubt that I will. Regardless of all the challenges behind and in front of me, at least now, I know which way to turn my sail into the wind towards becoming the "lady" I wish to be.

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Update: April 20th 2011

Diana_W wrote an excellent blog in reference to my blog here, called "Authentic Transition" on her blog "Salad Bingo".  I found it very helpful.  The comments were interesting as well.


54 comments:

  1. I don't know if this will make you feel better or not- but "women" don't always know how to deal with these things simply because they were born and raised as female. I've been a woman inside and out since day one, and let me tell you... I have no clue sometimes, too. I'm an electrician, and I deal with this kind of male/female interaction daily. Don't lose sleep over it! It isn't just you, and it also isn't YOUR problem- it's THEIR problem. Congrats on being a strong, independent and "handy" woman!

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  2. I am a natural born woman and I own rental property. This means I know all about roofing, laying tile, plumbing, dealing with contractors, and a number of other "male" things. I also know what I want and am not afraid to go after it. My assertiveness doesn't make me less feminine, and your "male" knowledge doesn't make you less feminine. Do some people think I'm a bitch? Probably. I don't care and neither should you. Irregardless of your life experience, you're still a woman.

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  3. For what it may be worth: My eldest child was M-to-F, first came out to us at age 22. She was a rising star in Silicon Valley, and on hormones and constant electrolysis, while she and her lesbian fiancee saved up for the reassignment surgery. (She was killed in an automobile accident in June 1998). Our younger child, born a female and hetero, is still "a gender bender" in that she is a master auto mechanic who now owns her own rapidly growing shop <180auto.com>. You are what you make yourself. Small minds can't cope with human diversity. That is Their problem, not yours.

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  4. Three really good comments so far! Chloe, I'm always amazed at how you are able to dissect any given situation and contemplate all the different nuances. This is to your credit as a thoughtful person, however I think as most of us who have transitioned often do, sometimes we tend to over think it all. Most guys will never catch on because you "know too much" to the contrary, it only adds to your mystique!

    and to the second half of this blog...

    All I wanted to add is that I love the kids too. They already have two very wonderful parents and I am honored to also be a part of their lives, a roll I take very seriously.

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  5. Um. You're living one of the most public of possible lives for a trans person. You're making a reality show. You've been on TV. And you're thinking people in your little town suspect your identity because--- you know too much about electricity?

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  6. Outside the Trans community, people that first meet me, 99.99% of the time do not know my history. What I have wrestled with is that, sometimes I will be in conversations, and found that, while during the normal exploration of discussion, I feel a borderline approaching that if I speak my mind about EVERYTHING I know or have experienced in my life, then a light of suspicion is put on me. I wonder if others have felt this way? That is my point in sharing my feelings.

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  7. Have you ever felt during a conversation that you approached a boarder line of outing yourself a Transgender for knowing TOO MUCH about any given subject, that the person you were speaking to began to have good reason to start doubting you are who you appear to be?

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  8. Happens a lot, esp. when I'm shopping with my Mom....

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  9. Agreed. I find I know way more than someone would expect me to know about certain things. It is a concern for me, but, I'm totally ok with the Trangender woman role so...it is what it is, and I am who and what I am. And I like it!

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  10. I'm sure you've heard this one...Don't worry about what others think....I've been in those situations, but you don't have to justify how you know stuff or apologize for knowing it! People will deal. There are many 'women raised women' out there who know 'men things'.

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  11. Well I did mention that I shaved my head before to the hair dresser and she asked me isn't that normal for a guy to do :)

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  12. I make no attempt to pass but I am pretty certain you have entered the realm of Genetic Females.... most of them report a need to hold back or they will get either pegged as something other than real... even women expect women to be reserved and not know to much.... so they may not be thinking you are Trans... because you are a beautiful women but rather might start thinking you are lesbian or a feminist or a b&^ch or some derivation of the weaker gender.... and in your case anyone who would ever suspect trans is a closet gender shifter projecting their desires on you....

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  13. I would say that my thoughts are give and take on the issue. I have only been living F/T for 4 months now, but already I've encountered a handful of situations where I've been the woman in front of a man or men, trying to talk about technical things. I am in the tech industry, and women are continuing to be more visible and strong here; asserting myself as an intelligent woman isn't that hard. However, it is true, some men that have known me, and some that have not, have both seemed to treat me like I didn't know what I was talking about. It is clear that the average man doesn't expect the average woman to know a slew of details about things that aren't 'average woman' career paths.. Though I find this conversation humorous, as I just commented on a 20-something GG friend of mine's FB page - she had photos of her motorcycle engine broken down to the component level, and showed shot by shot as she rebuilt the entire transmission and clutch assembly, and was getting ready to put the whole piston assembly back together. Would anyone judge her femininity? Lets just say I wouldn't want to be poor soul that decided to, cause heaven help them. ;-)

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  14. Angel -- totally! Its so weird when guys assume we're stupid -- I get that a lot from my guy friends... like I need their directions for life....!

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  15. I can talk sports with any man... I mean, I know strategy and all the players going back decades. I like to raise guys' eyebrows with what I know, and I explain that I grew up with two brothers and a dad (true) who were really into sports. It's good to be able to rise above the stereotypes, and I find that this is one of the benefits of having the experiences of both genders.

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  16. so many changes post op just when you thought you had the answer.

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  17. I was walking en drab with some work males who started making fun of a MTF TS at work. Best I could do to shut them up was to say that at least "he had the courage of his convictions for getting the surgery". Of course I should have said "she" and "her" but I guess I didnt have the courage of my convictions. This situation comes up all the time because I work in nearly an all-male environment.

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  18. So far!!! I've managed to catch myself before I go on about TG knowledge!!!It's a tough thing to know about and also have to hide-it makes me feel like a coward.

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  19. I just hate getting treated like an idiot about computers, and usually just nod, smile, then promptly outclass their knowledge.

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  20. I frequently talk too much and out myself as a geek.

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  21. Ha Ha....that is a really great question that most of us have dealt with through our lives! Thanks Chloe.

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  22. I know the feeling also... I work in a male dominated technical profession and when I get stuck in conversation about my job I feel very uncomfortable as I feel I'm raising eyebrows when I talk about what I do. Also in physical skills I've had to fake my ability to throw a ball or catch as not to give my "T" away.

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  23. Yes!!!... It's made my wife question my identity... Saying things like you sure you weren't a woman in a past life? How do you know so much about fashion, makeup and grooming (like eyebrows)? She's questioned me why I like to go clothes shopping with her and suggest cute shoes or outfits... Even when there is something on TV about TS's I sometimes comment and she asked me how I know that... Instead of using it as an opportunity to come out, I make excuses. She's already mentioned she could never be with a woman or a TS. :(

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  24. I am not out to my family. However during a conversation with my baby sister, who runs an endo office, she was commenting on those "T freaks" and made the comment repeatedly. Said the drs dont like them T freaks and only 1 would work with the t freaks. I said, have you any idea of what pain they face because they are what you call " tf reak" She said no they are freaks. I asked her how she felt about our inter racial grand neices and iof they were freaks, she said no its not their fault. I said same thing for those people, she said how do u know, I said one of the peeps I used to ride with went thru this and I was one of the few who stood by her.

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  25. Chloe, What I hate is when you transition those you worked with think all your experience disappeared with the make up and jewelry. Or you cannot do the job because you might break a nail. Ugggggggg

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  26. I do try to dumb down a bit in social (hey the bar!) settings. My true friends likely believe me being any dumber is impossible, though!

    It's probably best to forget you were ever in the military, when talking to Vets, as much as that hurts.

    ...The whole "husband" thing, sheesh!

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  27. If there was acceptance of the gender diverse, wouldn't there be any need for a person to feel restrained about disclosing the knowledge they had about any subject matter?

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  28. All I know is that since I learned how to, I read science fiction books constantly. Now that I've transitioned, I only read Harlequin Romance novels. (That was not intended to be a factual statement.)

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  29. Yes. stopped short of talking too much about intersex issues.

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  30. To make it easy on yourself and enjoy a bit more popularity, remember men like to talk about themselves. Also, women like to talk about themselves. So listen intently, keep the conversation focused on them, and enjoy!

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  31. It has been my experience that everyone enjoys talking about themselves. the people that ihave met love it when they are the ones in the spotlight.

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  32. Frequently.... with family, strangers...happens alot!

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  33. This in part why I think that early feminist's missed the boat.... We are those few (actually we really are not that few) who have had white male privilege and to the way that many cis-gender people think, we had all of that and threw it away.

    What actually frustrates me more is when someone assumes that as a woman that I don't know something that actually I'm very experienced with. I know I should take that as a compliment because that means that I'm passing. But I don't I find it very offensive that too many men think that all women are stupid.

    But then I don't pass that well, so if and when I do pass it shocks me.... And Chloe, you pass far better then most of us... So please don't worry just shock the morons with how much you actually know (especially in your areas of expertise, electronics etc). As women we have to carry our part of the torch to break the gender barriers that all women have been fighting many years for.

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  34. For the military/government service in the past, I was fortunate (I guess) to have served in a capacity that required "Uncle Sam" to seal my actual service records (Army 201 file and similar ones) that are not accessible to anyone except for those who are able to obtain 2 types of security clearances and have a clear "need to know" some of my past was "deleted" which is known in the "black ops" world as "sheep dipping". There was no problem with the portrayal as a female former service member, which helps. The statute of limitations for revealing this information, has come and gone by the way.

    I began to dislike male sports even more, after having started HRT years ago and have lost a significant amount of strength and approach average female physical levels, which I am very happy about actually. After SRS, the bit of aggressiveness left went away. I no longer speak too much on certain subjects that are considered "unconventional" for females, I just prove any skill level by demonstration or action. I just let the males do all of the big talking, LOL.

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  35. All that patronising of women that goes on makes me quite angry. Some of the women friends I have are as sharp and competent as any man, and knowing they have had to face this crap all their lives is infuriating. Actually, if you have experienced the journey from the "superior" sex to the "inferior" one I think it is just a given you must identify as feminist. I do now. (Without subscribing to all the crap that is said under that labelling)

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  36. I know what you mean Chloe, I've felt myself backing off in a conversation too. But then there is the other side of the coin, I no longer feel like I need to pretend to know a lot about the inner workings of cars at the auto parts store. (never was a motorhead)

    The guys there just roll their eyes and smile when they ask what kind of engine I have and I say "a big one, 'cause it's a fast car" :) LOL

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  37. Being someone who gets read in 1.74 seconds, I don't worry about outing myself. I usually already am.

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  38. You went to a Hockey game...? You're Gay. Those are the rules!

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  39. Thank godess that the world has changed just a little bit. Having become deeply involved in the world of Womens Roller Derby, I sink into the "unconventional", non-traditional (now) female dominated setting among a virtual sea of alll kinds of assertive, beautiful women in a sport that's anything but "dainty" but still very much girl-powered and women-influenced! More and more, even the most macho of men are not even batting an eye at us, they think it's "cool" and "novel", LOL!

    Some derby gals who look like they can easily rule at a Ms America contest, are often some of the toughest and smarter than a lot of men.

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  40. How utterly beautiful. Thank you Chloe, This is probably the most thought out explanation of this strange place we find ourselves that that I have ever read.

    Namaste
    Bobbi

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  41. lol..as you know, I can't comment on the "male" privilage....but I often wonder, is it really such a privilage? But I can comment on being a cisgendered woman....for whatever reason...I have a mechanical mind...I can fix pretty much anything...you have seen pics..I'm not butch...and I haven't been "trained" college or university for mechanical things...so I only call in someone when I'm at my wits end... son one day at work, my sump pump went out on me at a store I was working at....checked EVERYTHING I could thing off..but long story short..guy came..found the problem and in mid -sentence TURNED his back to me and finished the explaination to the male store manager as he saw him approach...well, that male store manager is still a personal friend of mine and gave the plumber the what for and never contracted with that firm again...heheh...classic , wish I had a camera, made this apologize to me in front of EVERYONE...yeah, I live in Texas and this was a good ol boy... so long winded, I'm sorry....but just like you do everyday...one litttle/big battle at a time...sometimes you get through, sometimes you don't...my friend, never thought that women reeallllyyy were not treated different, until he saw it with his own eyes...years later and that his own daughter is growing older...she will be better prepared and dare I say, better understood by the one man that she will judge all other men... what a good thing... yes?

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  42. Chloe, I guess if you can fix a tranny you are exposed as one? LOL! I am as inept with tools and cars as a person can get, but my sports knowledge might give me away when I eventually go full-time.

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  43. One thing to keep in mind is your family, like your mother and sister, still remember you as you. So that makes things that much harder and they will focus in on things that may or not be accurate in regards to "what a woman would say". I definitely don't have the experience as you do, but I've found the line extremely blurred when it comes to how natal women should act or think. This is especially prevalent amongst my Goth friends who are all very independent, strong willed women, who you can have nerdy talk after nerdy talk with.

    Sometimes I wonder if many of the issues, you, I or anyone else goes through transition with are partly caused by over thinking things. In a way I think I was blessed to be born in a family that was all over the map when it came to gender, I can say with 100% seriousness I am more feminine then many in my family.

    What makes someone a true woman or not isn't some vague gender stereotype that changes as years go by (What women are supposed to be like shifts often and freely), but what what is in ones heart. So you are right it isn't surgery, but also doesn't mean you aren't a woman either. You are like a woman who was raised by wolves so to speak who is now trying to reintegrate herself correctly after being saved from that life, and while it will give you a different outlook of things, along with challenges, it does make one any less of a woman.

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  44. There are so many things I could respond to here and I was getting ready to do just that until I read the last two paragraphs. Then all I could do was cry tears of joy because you and your children have worked things out. That includes having Rene and Lana in your lives. All the rest just doesn't seem to matter any more...

    Roofs and contractors simply aren't that important. You have your priorities working and that is so touching...

    Hugs, Caroline

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  45. You've been blessed to transition early so that you can be a mom to your children. I have dreamed of that many times during my life but that was in the stone ages of TG, and didn’t know what I was. I have lived as a person confused & merely existing, reacting to what happened around me - but apart from everything, I was perceived as male but didn’t feel that way, rather, female , nor did I act male. I called it HELL. It was my life for 48 years.

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  46. We are all products of our experiences. Yes we may have a better insight to male lives then GG's,that is something that just "is", and it will never go away, it is part of who we are. Maybe instead of trying to differentiate between a transsexual woman and a genetic one, we should work toward being the woman we have always felt we are. The body no more makes a woman then the clothes do. It is all in our mind and soul. We should take pride in the fact that we are women with varied life experiences, and not try to fit into a preconceived notion of womanhood. I am not sure we need to strive to be anything but ourselves and to be truly happy with that no matter what descriptor may be used to describe us. Often when we work toward a goal that in our minds we feel we need to reach and we miss all the living in between and then often never get to that goal. Life is in the living not the destination. If we can just be our authentic selves, no matter the description, we will make great strides in true happiness and fulfillment. And that is where true happiness really comes from..self fulfillment, self acceptance and self love. If you have those things, no descriptor in the world will matter in the least.

    Peace

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  47. Chloe:
    I'm sure you know, some people call us 'gender gifted' in that we have experienced life from both sides of the gender coin. For some of us, we really didn't 'get it' while being raised as boys into men. Frankly, I don't understand men, and never did. I have a sense of what you're feeling. It's mega uncomfortable, and we grow from these experiences. Early on when going full time, I would hold doors for people being polite. A friend told me to stop doing it, it's a very male trait and habit. OK, I stopped. There's more, but the list is unimportant. You're right. No matter how much we identify ourselves as women, we still have that nagging 'trans' in front of 'woman'. Some things from our past will haunt us or at least remind us (like my kids calling me dad), others take some getting used to. It's the growth process, and growth hurts.

    I hope this perspective helps a bit,
    Janine

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  48. Post and comments excellent, no wonder it is a top blog! Everything right down to Renee still being part of your lives with the children all onboard.

    Families can be the hardest to bring round. I am visiting family in France where I came out to everyone exactly a year ago. As usual while they are working their restaurant nearby I keep cleaning the house and repairing all the things my rough and ready brother in-law has left broken. Because I used to jump at a call to fly over and use my testosterone muscled body on building projects this image is the one which they just can't erase, all the home making stuff is ignored! It is hard not to explain how something needs to be fixed even if it means that the male pronouns keep coming out in the face of someone so obviously showing no masculine outward signs and introduced to visitors in the correct fashion!

    We come from a strange past and I am sure many of us use both sides of the brain, we are hybrids even when we know our preferred gender expression. A lifetimes conditioning to know how things work or politely hold open a door are ingrained. I am not sure that I would want to abandon skills to fit a preconceived gender ideal. Nature is infinite in it's expression if not in it's acceptance.

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  49. Hilarious -- yes, I've startled many a salesman in the hardware departments. But, uh, waitaminnit, I know lots of handy women who supposedly didn't get my "educational advantages." Women of the world, take up those hammers and unite. :)

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  50. I have never been anything but a woman, but I do know this.. sometimes it is impossible to classify if we are thinking or being "woman" or "man". Assertiveness can anger anyone. They use titles to relieve their insecurities, emotions...etc. Sometimes, it is harder to think what division we really are and just accept hardship, confusion and mysteries as what they really are.

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  51. Three really good comments so far! Chloe, I'm always amazed at how you are able to dissect any given situation and contemplate all the different nuances.You doing great job..thanks for sharing here.

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